Posts by Disposable Hero

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Power?

by lost in

jw
friends

i just finally figured out what it was.

power.

i have read, heard and felt everyones posts here on what it feels like to be shunned.. if i was an ego maniac, so focused on my own everlasting, selfish survival, i could understand the 'power'.. but who of us here want to believe that?

Disposable Hero

Welcome to the board.

You lie so much you believe yourself
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself

13

a new person with a familiar story.....

by sndy420 in

so...i have been involved with jws for 21 years, have a wonderful husband and 4 wonderful daughters( i am so lucky!!!

) and for a year or so have been steadily leaving the org.it didnt amswer my questions or satisfy my needs at first- but then i started to do my own searching and found out alot of things that were just wrong.

my oldest daughter decided to da herself and i knew that i would never turn my back on her.

Disposable Hero

nice to meet you sndy420. I think most people who leave have a spiritual void because a person relied on the org so much. Now a person is on their own and not sure where to turn to. A big part of there life is simply not there anymore. I find if you seek you shall find. You find people on this board who are athiest to pagans to born-again christians. Good luck.

You lie so much you believe yourself
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself

41

Witnesses are coming to my door Sunday!

by jerome in

this post is pretty long so i just thought that i'd warn you.. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>.

w: yes he is but he is only the god of this world.

after all if what these people say is true then anybody that dosent know what it is in deep trouble.

Disposable Hero

There are many ways to start chipping away. I have found that many witnesses do not know their history about the org. You could begin with " Since we both know it was taught for many years from your religion that Jesus returned in 1874, but in later years there was a better understanding of this and his return was changed to 1914. I was not sure when this change occurred, could you please help me with this."

I believe the change happened in 1930 in the book Prophecy. But what you want to do is plant a seed of doubt in their mind. Go to the website quotes at the bottom of the page and print off some stuff. Ask them many questions about their history and when they say you need a Bible study with them, just tell maybe it should work the other way and they need a Bible study with you because you will know more about the org than they will.

You lie so much you believe yourself
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself

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Calgary girl - update

by concerned mama in

http://www.canada.com/calgary/story.asp?id={ff2eb8fb-968c-429e-8da5-b6b977b9ffcf}.

girl says she wants to live.

father insists church elders playing games.

Disposable Hero

There was an article in the Saskatoon Star Phoenix when this first came out. Non-Jws who mentioned this article to me could not believe what was happening. Everybody feels sorry for the girl because of her illness, but people could not believe the treatment of the father by the witnesses and the family. He wants to see his daughter live and with the choice that was made there is a chance she might just do so. For this he is shunned by everybody including the ill girl. I told these non-jws what it is like to be shunned and they were horrified. One lady asked "what then, is love towards one another based on your faith to the organization"? I said "pretty much" She said she will look at witnesses different from now on when they come to her door becasue of this situtation. From what I can gather, this whole situation has put the witnesses in a bad light from a non-jw view. On the other hand, it will probably make the average jw stronger in that they will not disobey the organization in fear of being shunned like this man.

You lie so much you believe yourself
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself

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Telling a JW that you are anti-watchtower.

by jerome in

the time has finally come.

i am getting dangerously close to a situation where i will have to reveal to my gf's mother and siblings that not only do i not share their beliefs but the probility of them converting me to their religion is next to none.

relaying this information could cause one hell of alot of problems with the situation as it satnds.. in my country which is mainly christian the the jws eventhough not accepted are permitted to continue with their faith.

Disposable Hero

I am not in your shoes, so I do not know your whole situation. But I have been in similiar situations as have others here. I would tell the witness what I felt. I felt the witness as a individual was a good person, but that was not my problem. My problem was with the society. I would show the witness some things that contradict what the society has done such as the UN issue and so I could not trust the society. If they are really persistent in questioning why you do not convert, then do some research. http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com is a great place to get watchtower quotes without commentary. Get some quotes from there and show this family this stuff. But ask them questions about this stuff so it gets them to think instead of trying to prove them wrong. Good luck.

You lie so much you believe yourself
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself

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Hello all, I am new here

by mbst in

i have been reading all the stuff i see on this place for a while.

i am a jehovahs witness in good standing in my congregation.

i just need to come on in here and ask for a little advice from anyone who might know what i am feeling.

Disposable Hero

You have 2 choices; stay with your girl and get out of the religion or leave the girl and stay with the religion. If you think the girl is worth it, get down and do some research on the WTS. Just like 2SYN said, go to httt://quotes.jehovahs-witness.com It is a great site to learn about the WTS. It offers only quotes, no commentary at all. And if you need help whatsoever, there are lot's of people willing to help you out.

You lie so much you believe yourself
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself

12

Got My Invite Today

by Undecided in

jw
friends

well i finally go my invitation to the ritual today.

i didn't know either of them but they had a nice smile and were dressed in the proper attire.

the invitation was a little less quality than usual, and said, "printed in the usa".

Disposable Hero

I was going to go, then I remembered that WWF Smackdown is on at the same time. Maybe next year.

You lie so much you believe yourself
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself

5

OK to study the Bible alone?

by Disposable Hero in

[i] "from time to time, there have arisen from among the ranks of jehovah's.

people those, who, like the original satan, have adopted an independent,.

faultfinding attitude...they say that it is sufficient to read the bible.

Disposable Hero

But I thought that the WTS had the truth....not.
I know the truth about the truth. I was just posting a thread that would maybe give people some questions to think about. That's all.

You lie so much you believe yourself
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself

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Escape by Metallica

by Disposable Hero in

as some of you already know, i'm a huge metallica fan, i'm not too crazy about the new stuff, but i like the older stuff up unitl about 91. many of metallica songs have a dark side to them; death, war,destruction, misplaced justice, etc.

one song that seems to stick out that one can relate to escaping the watchtower is "escape" on the "ride the lightning" album.

anyways, here are the lyrics.

Disposable Hero

As some of you already know, I'm a huge Metallica fan, I'm not too crazy about the new stuff, but I like the older stuff up unitl about 91. Many of Metallica songs have a dark side to them; death, war,destruction, misplaced justice, etc. One song that seems to stick out that one can relate to escaping the Watchtower is "Escape" on the "Ride the Lightning" album. Whenever I hear this song, it reminds me of how one can struggle to get out. Anyways, here are the lyrics

Feel no pain, but my life ain't easy
I know I'm my best friend
No one cares, but I'm so much stronger
I'll fight until the end
To escape from the true false world
Undamaged destiny
Can't get caught in the endless circle
Ring of stupidity

Out for my own, out to be free
One with my mind, they just can't see
No need to hear things that they say
Life is for my own to live my own way

Rape my mind and destroy my feelings
Don't tell me what to do
I don't care now, cause I'm on my side
And I can see through you
Feed my brain with your so called standards
Who says that I ain't right
Break away from your common fashion
See through your blurry sight

Out for my own, out to be free
One with my mind, they just can't see
No need to hear things that they say
Life is for my own to live my own way

See them try to bring the hammer down
No damn chains can hold me to the ground

Life is for my own to live my own way

You lie so much you believe yourself
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself

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OK to study the Bible alone?

by Disposable Hero in

[i] "from time to time, there have arisen from among the ranks of jehovah's.

people those, who, like the original satan, have adopted an independent,.

faultfinding attitude...they say that it is sufficient to read the bible.

Disposable Hero

[i] "From time to time, there have arisen from among the ranks of Jehovah's
people those, who, like the original Satan, have adopted an independent,
faultfinding attitude...They say that it is sufficient to read the Bible
exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through
such 'Bible reading,' they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines
that commentaries by Christendom's clergy were teaching 100 years ago..."
The Watchtower, August 15, 1981.[i/]

If people were to only study God by "Bible reading", would those people come to the same conclusions as the Governing Body of the witnesses? And I also ask why would God go through the trouble of just having a handful of people (gov. body)knowing the deeper things of the Bible, when the Bible was written for all men?

You lie so much you believe yourself
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself